Meditation for Dissociation and its Use w/r/t Switching

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  1. Joshua

    Joshua Approximated Sentience Creator Tulpamancy System Is a host

    Dec 22, 2015
    Meditation for Those Seeking to Dissociate

    This guide should be used as a reference for those who want a thought-out look into meditation for dissociation and dissociation's uses in tulpa things. I have been meditating daily since the summer of 2010, and I have found myself able to dissociate from my body consistently and quickly at this point. I have been able to dissociate semi-reliably since the fall of 2013, and I started work on my first tulpa in January of 2014. I was first successfully switched with my second tulpa, Mikasa, in May of 2014. I fully realize that this is not a realistic time period for someone to accomplish this, and I have been stumped by it ever since it happened. The most plausible explanation that I can muster up is that because I had regular experience with dissociation it was easier for me to get out of the way and work with my tulpa to let her switch. But enough about me.

    Assuming that you have little to no experience with repeated meditation, then ideally you would start with thirty-minute sessions once or twice a day. Thirty minutes is not specific, just something I chose due to it being a good not-too-short-not-too-long length. If it's too long, shorten it, and vice versa. If you decide to do more than one a day, I recommend waiting a few hours in between them to act as a bit of a palette cleanser. From what I have seen in advising others, meditating for too long at once will often be detrimental to long-term progress. As results will most likely take months at a time to achieve, longer meditation sessions with little to no change in between could frustrate and discourage. Shorter sessions counteract that. Another thing to keep in mind is the level of stimulus in your surroundings. Quiet places are better for meditation, etc.

    Before reaching dissociation, you will be looking to reach a state of trance-like quiet within your mind. This is achieved by sitting in your chosen meditation position and allowing your mind to run out of thoughts. I know that many types of meditation will have you focus on your breathing, but I want you to instead simply acknowledge whatever thoughts float by in your mind. This should be done passively, not actively, and what I mean by that is that you should not hear your inner monologue acknowledge the thoughts. This leads to more thoughts. What you will be hoping to eventually achieve is a state of non-thought. Easier said than done, of course, but as you practice over the course of weeks and months you will find that near the end of your thirty minutes you will have a state of quiet. Oftentimes, the realization that you are in this state will jolt you out of it, which can be frustrating, but continue to meditate daily and this state will increase in length, come around earlier in the session, and become more stable. This is your first milestone.

    Once you can reach this state reliably, you will want to practice it daily if you're not already doing so. There will come a time after this where you dissociate for the first time. This is your second milestone. When it comes to how long this transition may take, I cannot give you a solid answer. I can say that it took me around a year and a half to move from the first “zen” state to my first dissociative experience. I wish I could be more specific on this step, as it is of course one of the pivotal moments sought after by those wanting to switch. Similarly to when first reaching the “zen” state, early dissociative experiences will most likely shock you out of them. It takes repeated practice to be able to reach and maintain dissociation, and you will find it a more stable and lengthened state as you continue to meditate.

    I think it's important to lay out what dissociation is for people reading this and wondering about it. Dissociation is the separation of the consciousness from external stimulus. For me, it is characterized by the inability to hear things first and foremost, as well as not being innately aware of my eyes being closed. What I mean by this is that it does not feel like my eyes are closed, but I cannot see until I actively go and try to open them. The reason I put lack of hearing as the primary trait is that it will most likely be the most jarring thing for someone first experiencing dissociation. I know it was for me, at least. There are other things, like not feeling your tongue and losing the awareness of little itches and the like on your arms and legs, but those were less obvious to me at first. So, when meditating with the goal of dissociation in mind, try and compare your experiences to these traits to see if you are on the right track.

    The third milestone of progress in this guide would be the ability to think while dissociated. This may be something you had not considered, but in my personal experience, it was a major hurdle to being able to visualize things while dissociated and later on entering the wonderland and interacting with my tulpas. I have very little in the way of advice for how to overcome this other than daily meditation practice. There was nothing specific that I did in 2013 as I dissociated to reach the level of conscious thought while dissociated. It simply occurred around two months after my first dissociative experience in September of 2013. If you are following the advice in this guide, however, I believe it will occur for you sometime relatively soon after reaching reliable dissociation.

    To recap:

    1. Practice meditation by acknowledging thoughts rather than focusing on breathing.

    2. Keep doing this until you start to consistently run out of thoughts.

    3. Keep going until you start to consistently dissociate.

    4. Keep going until you start to be able to think while dissociated.

    5. Meditate daily to keep and polish your ability.

    Breaking Dissociation

    In every experience of dissociation I've had, I have ended the session by consciously focusing on opening my eyes. The result is me opening my eyes in real life, back in my body. I do not believe it is possible to get "stuck" if you are just using meditation to dissociate. I don't do drugs, so I can't speak for a scenario mixing the two, and because of this I recommend not using drugs while dissociating. The only exception to this I've come across is alcohol. I have dissociated while drunk and been completely fine when coming back. Granted, I had been dissociating regularly for about a year at the time and felt fairly capable.

    Using Dissociation While Forcing

    I'll keep the personal introspection to a minimum. "Passive forcing" is relatively easy, and, for me, it feels like it's fairly cut and dry with regard to when it is and isn't occurring. If you are aware of your tulpa being around or are thinking of them, then passive forcing is arguably happening. If you're not, then passive forcing probably isn't happening. However, "active forcing" seems a bit harder to maintain a sense of boundary. Thinking solely about your tulpa is active forcing, however, and this is coming from my experience with trying to force while not dissociating, it's difficult to active force for long periods of time (over forty-five minutes or so).

    I bypassed this issue through dissociation, and from here on out I'm going to assume you've reached a point where you can regularly dissocicate, too. It's extremely simple to active force using dissociation. Just dissociate, imagine your tulpa, and interact with them. If you're early on in the tulpa creation stage, use this time to talk to the tulpa, add in traits if you're doing that sort of thing, or work on their form with them. If you're later on, go nuts. Create a wonderland together, explore a wonderland, hang out, try and visualize a game of chess with them, etc.

    There are benefits to using dissociation for forcing. Firstly, if you have dissociation under your command, you have a much easier time staying in the moment while forcing. Secondly, things that happen while dissociated are incredibly vivid in comparison to normal active forcing. This lack of a need to keep your focus on simply maintaining the session is an understated blessing because it allows you to more fully be in the moment with your tulpa, something I feel will definitely enhance the experience as well as the tulpa's development.

    Using Dissociation for Switching

    There are two sides to switching, and my approach uses dissociation and minor symbolism. Keep in mind that this symbolism is personal to me, and while I suggest you try it to see if this example works for you, feel free to use whatever helps you personally. Instead of a recap, I'm going to list the steps and then provide written elaboration afterwards.

    1. Dissociate.

    2a. Visualize a door to your wonderland.

    2b. Have your tulpa visualize a door to your body.

    3ab. Step through the respective doors.

    Dissociation should be self explanatory at this point. Dissociate to a point where you are conscious and in a void. Do not enter the wonderland or interact with your tulpa at this point. Visualize a door that will lead to your wonderland. It doesn't have to be detailed or fancy, just any sort of door will do. Prior to dissociating, tell your tulpa to visualize a door that once passed through will drop them off in control of the body. Then, step through the door into your wonderland. Having tried to time which one of us walks through the door first, I can only reasonably say that if you walk through the door, your tulpa will walk through their door. It doesn't matter if one of you walks through slightly earlier than the other, since during this step, it's the action itself that has significance.

    Once you've done this, you will either find yourself in your wonderland with your tulpa, indicating you've failed to switch, which is fine as it takes practice, or you will find yourself in your wonderland without your tulpa, indicating they've entered the body. If you consider these two outcomes to be the only ones, I can all but guarantee they will be, and you will not have to deal with any "tulpa is gone but no one is in the body" nonissues. However, if for some reason this scenario does occur, just break dissociation. Your tulpa will be fine.

    How to know when you've switched properly? Using dissociation the way I've outlined in this guide, you'll know once you break dissociation and return to the body. Are things different? Are you standing now? Is your tulpa excited about having controlled the body? These are fairly common signs that you've switched.

    Progressing Past Simple Switching

    Some things to work on after you reach proficiency in switching:

    Switching, then breaking dissociation without regaining control of the body (I call this "checking the front," but the terminology isn't that important in my opinion).

    *Tip: The crux of the issue lies in your tulpa maintaining control, so if you can't manage to break dissociation without also regaining control of the body, your tulpa needs more practice and familiarity with holding control of the body.

    Swapping the tulpa who is in control with another while you maintain dissociation.

    *Tip: This one should be approached from the angle of "replacing tulpa walks through door into wonderland while exiting tulpa walks through door into body."
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  2. FallFamily

    FallFamily Forum Goddesses Administrator Moderator Plural System Mixed-Origin System

    May 6, 2015
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    [Breach] This is pretty comprehensive I think, and quite useful. Long path, but probably reliable. It has given us a few ideas for when we resume working on switching with Hail. Hail and I back when we were one subsystem did this to some extent which proved very effective at getting the disconnect and even got us fully inside once. Though, there was a major difference. We start dissociating a bit spontaneously whenever we start meditating and it gets stronger the deeper we go, however we have to work to actively dissociate more to get enough dissociation for disconnect. Just, we get some to begin with to work from, which helps. Probably why we were able to almost reach the void within ten attempts, and get fully inside (but not switched since no one at the time had enough ability to control the body besides us) within four months despite not practicing much. But it was also a time of extreme dissociation problems, strong enough that we sometimes fell out of the front if we laid down and we had to actively fight to keep control of our limbs at many times during the day, so that likely made it easier. And that is also why we have had less success ever since then in doing it - we just don't have the same high 24/7 background dissociation levels. When we start to work on it again, I think the things you talk about here will help us a bit do things in a more organized and planned way.
  3. BlytheSpirit

    BlytheSpirit New Member Tulpamancy System Is a tulpa

    Apr 23, 2017
    Hi, old post, but we just found it and we have a couple questions there's hopefully someone still around who can answer them.

    [Aisling, host: I guess I have a practical question with regards to timing. Cause whenever I meditate I have a hard time not worrying about how long I've been doing it for. You recommend 30 minutes, but how do you keep track of it? Do you set an alarm? The temptation to look at the clock is sometimes too strong, but if I don't have anything, I might do a lot more, or a lot less. Probably not helpful.]

    My question is what's the tulpa to do, if I'm hanging around outside. Do I try to dissociate as well, so I can come inside with her. I actually have a lot of trouble being inside. I dunno, I guess it makes sense then that I should also try to dissociate. The idea that it would take years though, is kind of... a bummer?

    As in, if we're trying to switch, do I anyways want to wait until we reach the point where we can both be fully inside before I try to walk out. As opposed of trying to take the body earlier in the process?

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  4. The Quandary

    The Quandary Colors and Contrast Administrator Moderator Mixed-Origin System

    May 6, 2015

    To Aisling: An alarm is one way to do it, yeah. If you meditate to a sound, another method is to set the sound to only play for 30 minutes or however long your session will take. includes a timer feature, which we think is available to non-patrons.

    To Blythe: We're still working on making meditation something regular in our system, but so far it's been up to everyone what they do when someone at front is meditating. Not many of us have trouble going in, though, just Cassius and Architect.

    We don't see a reason why you'd need to wait until being able to fully go inside. It doesn't seem like anything that would hinder your ability to manage the body. We have met some systems who switch, who also don't have a mindscape and just tend to cluster around front or sleep instead.
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  5. FallFamily

    FallFamily Forum Goddesses Administrator Moderator Plural System Mixed-Origin System

    May 6, 2015
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    [Obsidian] With regards to timing, Hail found that the trick was not to try to do an exact time but to go off of feel, the sort of sense of how many minutes or hours have gone by. This feeling is of course not completely accurate, but it can be improved by doing it and then checking one's watch when one is completely done and seeing how one's feeling compared with what happened and then figure out what compensation factor you have to apply to your gut feeling next time. Each time you get a better sense of the compensation. Setting an alarm is a good way to startle oneself unless it starts very quiet and only very slowly increases in volume. Not sure if startling oneself is a bad idea or not, honestly. But seems like something worth avoiding if possible so that one can ease out of the meditation and dissociation instead of being jolted out of it (and in the case that one isn't jolted out and can't get out quickly, does one really want one's alarm going off at full blast during the time it takes to get out of it).

    There is no need to dissociate or head back inside. That said, there are some things one can do inside to help drag someone else in. But one could be outside and not cause an issue in most systems.

    It is a matter of taste and what works best. For some, the person switching in taking the body before the one switching out leaves helps them leave. For some, it makes it harder. For some, it neither helps nor hurts.
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