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Advanced system, still awful at visualization

Discussion in 'Beginner and Creation Help' started by Ben, Jul 16, 2016.

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    Ben Lazy Metaphysicist

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    Specifically, Max sucks at visualizing the headspace/innerworld, and it's really impeding our switching progress.

    For context: Max can impose systemmates in the outerworld with photorealistic accuracy, and tactile sensations are surprisingly detailed while inside. Innerworld visuals, however, are... sub-par (blurriness at distance, dizziness, seeing double, tunnel vision, you name it). It's been suggested to Max (on a few occasions) to focus on those tactile sensations rather than on visual input while inside. Unfortunately, our brain is as stubborn as a donkey, and if the visuals are not adequately real, Max will lose focus and float back into the body. In our experience, it feels as if his subconscious will deduce that the visualization is in fact a dream, and will attempt to wake up.

    We've cycled through a few tips found on /r/Tulpas (start in a small room before moving to larger ones, start by focusing on your tulpa, etc.), and while these ideas do help somewhat, we're still struggling with the tunnel vision primarily. Max has no peripheral while inside, and it's leading to a subconscious insistence that the innerworld isn't real because it looks dreamlike.

    Has anyone else struggled with this incessantly? What was your approach? Has anyone else found imposition to be easier than visual immersion? Tell us about it!
     
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    [Tri] We have not had this problem for the most part, other than for Hail tactile, taste, and smell imposition is easier than tactile, taste, and smell immersion (hearing and visual are the opposite).

    We do have one unorthodox idea, though. The problem is that inside, Max has poor visual immersion and the world looks dreamlike and that causes him to dissociate from his innerworld body and associate with the outerworld one. So, cut off the visual inside entirely. Inside, Max should wear an eye mask, so that he couldn't see a thing regardless of how well he can visually immerse. That way, he just has to focus on seeing black, which is exactly what he should see. Since the brain should expect that, there will be a match and maybe he won't dissociate from his innerworld body.
     
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    That is a very interesting idea. We'll try that one.
    We've been so focused on improving immersion that we didn't think to just... ignore a sense altogether.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how Max, blinded, works with Polaris, who's nonverbal, in their shared headspace.
     
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    [Tri] Another thing to try, if your wonderland has one, is for Max to wear a blindfold and instead, if possible, after a while, look on the ethereal plane (or similar type thing) of that world (not something with the eyes per se). Such a view is generally a bit surreal and dream like anyways, so it might not cause dissociation from innerworld form but still allow Max to see some things in a very surreal fashion (would hopefully mean he doesn't say walk off a cliff or something and be able to tell where other people are). Might be something to work on later before going for full visual immersion. Obviously, if your wonderland doesn't have something like that or Max wouldn't be able to see it, then this suggestion is not of much use.
     
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    To update on this issue,

    We're finding that blindfolding Max when he immerses actually... does help quite a bit in that it forces him to pay more attention to other senses. That said, it also opens the door to bodily hypnagogia.

    We may just have Max simply try to immerse for short periods of time more frequently to build up the strength. Obligatory: Ughhhh.